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alphateam  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:07:51 PM(UTC)
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How much of user wish list is in vsn 10?

I get the impression that vsn 10 is more about adding another expert system than responding to user requests for more user friendly features.

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#2 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2006 6:33:12 AM(UTC)
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Well, seeing as how I saw your post here last month, I'd say the folks at equis are not exactly interested in addressing this question.

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#3 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:13:32 AM(UTC)
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Yes - I wished to see developed:

1. An alert on a drawn trendline on a chart. At present you have to build an indicator or design an explorer which is so laborious and slow.

2. To be able to call the inbuilt functions like Linear Regression with one-line of code and to be able to call a variable simply. At present you have to copy many lines of code from a tool-site and you get a warning message about calling a variable.

It would be nice to know what user requests will be developed and a completion date.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:15:24 AM(UTC)
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That wishlist is on this forum from a very, very, very long time. To see that this company "Equis" ignores every wish of her customers and still is running the business its something that i do not understand and the only plausible explication is that we (the customers) are some of the stupid people ever on this planet. More than that i did not see at least a post to criticize Equis team and that is very strange.

To see that on their list with "incredible new features" on the first place is a system (maby it is a good entry - it is not really a system, maby it is not - but it is a black box "system" thats for sure) makes me think that "the dream has been lost" (u remember the post that contained this quote? the autor has all my respect for that post and for what he did) and more than that it will never be recovered at least not until equis will remain without customers - sooner or later this will happen, how much can we endure? or maby not because always they will find new "fresh meat" that thinks it will get rich by buying and using the kind of systems that they sell :))? Anyway the only thing that keeps me on this forum and still using metastock is that there are here some people with caracter and i and u all have what to learn from them (u know who they are) and the fact that i use metastock for a very long time and i`m not prepared yet to use another program (6 times cheaper and 6 times better).

This is for equis team: u all should take a vacantion forever...a team with respect for their customers is welcome ....there must be one big boss to see that u take people for stupid or if the big boss is like that...well..what do we expect?....How can u sell something like "Forex Traders Advantage" a system that uses hindsight to place arrows on the chart? ??????????????????[:|]

There is much to say but i will stop here because anyway no one cares, maby one who is new and thinks about buying a technical analysis program will open his eyes and not make the same mistake like we did.

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#5 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:01:07 AM(UTC)
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Take a look at http://www.wealth-lab.com/

This is in the same price range (except that when they upgrade it costs just $100).

I haven't actually looked at the trial version yet, but just the web site makes me pine for it. Just from my perspective, the scripts for optimizing (and the indicators) include self defined variable that pass parameters, and the ability to be complex without running out of space. The support on this website looks quite a bit more comprehensive.

good luck

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#6 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:55:43 PM(UTC)
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LongShot, please correct me if I'm wrong, but from their website WealthLab appears to be for sale to customers outside the USA only ($650), but supplied free to active-trading USA customers of Fidelity Investments.

So if you live in the USA and/or aren't a Fidelity customer and/or aren't an active trader it looks like WealthLab is unavailable to you.

I'm pretty happy with MS 9.1, so far think the RMO is black-box hooey (I can be persuaded otherwise if anyone comes up with how it actually works) and am also disappointed in the lack of "here's what we've added that you asked for" feedback from Equis.

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#7 Posted : Sunday, November 5, 2006 3:28:16 PM(UTC)
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The little quote from Ms Rand at the end of your posts lends a tone of irony to your post.

I too bought into this product, and the existance of this forum area (wish list) which has had a steady growth and long presence gave me some hope that Equis cared. I don't think anybody would ever expect every suggestion to somehow be accounted for in the new product. But from what I can gather from the piles of information (thick, but low on content) advertising the new product, there is not really much improvement in critical areas. Speaking as a programmer, I think there is a lot that could be gleaned from the wish list and incorporated with not that much effort. And a new version number, by my definition, means MUCH effort. Go to Quicken.com, or back to Wealth-lab.com and look at the attention those companies pay to the suggestions on their forums.

To me, staying with Metastock is like watching a trade go the wrong direction. And every trader knows that every trade needs some kind of a stop in place so that you can go on elsewhere if you need to. I have the good fortune to have foreign friends who can do my actual purchase of Wealth-lab Developer. To get myself into a good trading position is worth extra effort.

Good luck to all of you.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:41:17 PM(UTC)
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I was told that there is no parabolic trendline in Metastock 10.

Could somebody confirm this, as I did not buy M10 to find out.

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#9 Posted : Monday, December 18, 2006 9:30:41 AM(UTC)
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How come no one has mentioned Tradestation? I thought Tradestation is the venerable best in the industry. I chose Metastock because of its association with Reuters, its reputation as the runner up, and because Tradestation is too expensive for the non day-trader.

I was quite disappointed to find that although Reuters has a stack in Equis, it pretty much lets it get on with its own business. It'd be good if Reuters applied its own exacting global standards on Equis. Coz the way I look at it, Equis is still a small-town software house, not worthy of being a global brand. Having said that, I haven't tried all that many applications, and so admittedly, these comments are subjective.

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:21:37 PM(UTC)
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I also use Tradestation because their drawing tools are so much more customizable and THEY have the trendline break alert...

But let yourself be assured, support is not first grade at BOTH of these companies.

There are guy on the Equis help desk that should be sent to grade school again, as they can't answer the simplest questions or do not care to read what I send them.




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#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:27:46 PM(UTC)
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Ben_Zurich wrote:
There are guy on the Equis help desk that should be sent to grade school again, as they can't answer the simplest questions
Ben, Ben... it's not that MS support can't read - it's more likely that your Züritüütsch (Zürich dialect) is difficult to understand... :) jose '-)
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:44:58 PM(UTC)
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wow, what a harsh thread. I, unfortunately, don't remember what was added to 10 to answer the thread's question. I'd be willing to bet much of what is in the wish list wasn't added. We do look at it and we do care, it's just a long list and a lot of the items don't work together in an easy way. We don't consider our customers stupid and we hope they don't feel that way. In response to the person about Reuters; Seems like you don't realize that Equis doesn't only do MetaStock, but also does the charting components for Reuters as well. We are a small company and we do both retail and institiutional.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:47:20 AM(UTC)
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Branden, my thinking on this subject is that Equis made a significant mistake in assigning Version 10 to this release. As a former sales/marketing weasel in Silicon Valley (with an engineering degree to boot) and currently in the business of retailing products to a picky user base with high expectations, I think about stuff like this; the decision set a high bar for the product - a bar that wasn't cleared in many (most?) current users' minds, especially since it was about 18 months since the prior release.

An integer release number implies big things, sometimes big changes. At the least, it signals major improvements and I think one would be hard-pressed to enumerate a very long list of such major fixes, changes and/or improvements. In fact, it would be useful to see a detailed change-history file of exactly what has been updated in this release - I would hope it's a lot more than the handful of bulleted items noted in the sales literature for V10, but I fear it's not.

Adding internal hooks to other products you're trying to sell us is no big deal. RMO sure looks like no big deal (can we have a list of references to the traders "taken by storm" by this thing so we can ask them why it's so magnificent?); just another system among many included in MS (and possibly just a repackaging of existing moving averages; this remains to be sorted out), the new license restrictions and copy protection solely benefit Equis, not the user and that leaves . . . . . . what, exactly? Custom periodicity in the RT version, resizable windows for some (not all) windowed elements and a major bug in the additional columns added to Explorer.

Out of all those, the only one that gets me hot is the resizable windows. Feh. That's a 0.01-release bug fix, more or less.

I suppose we're back to the original question that titles this thread: how much of the compiled user wishlist did make it into this release? And yes, I do know from firsthand experience how difficult it can be to update a complex, established product that's been around for years - especially if the core code is based on obsolete hardware or software platforms. It seems to be a 9.4 or 9.5-type release; assigning it 10 sets high expectations among existing users who are being targeted for upgrade revenue.

Just my humble opinion.

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#14 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:18:01 AM(UTC)
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I didn't do much work on 10, so I don't really remember what it was that went into it. I could ask someone, but don't know myself anymore.
My big work for MetaStock went into 9.2. I rewrote how the symbol databases work so that I can make it so groups can be added, removed, or renamed. Also so that we can build that faster, easier, and more accurately.

And I'm hoping I can take advantage of that so I can get a utility finished to help people that keep local data.

I can't really provide any excuses, reasons, or anything else. All I can really say is we understand what you're saying and we are trying very hard. More than you probably think.

I didn't reply to this thread to try and make excuses. I agree that calling it 10 was a bit of a leap. If I recall correctly, 10 was a big change to the way data was retrieved to help out with data servers and was a major change in the QuoteCenter product.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:10:12 AM(UTC)
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I could ask someone, but don't know myself anymore.
Hmmm... you must know thyself again, hopefully before MetaStock v11's release. :-D j '-)
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:15:37 AM(UTC)
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Funny... :)

I guess I missed "for" in that sentence which turned out to be a pretty key word for a different meaning.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:23:22 PM(UTC)
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Branden Russell wrote:
My big work for MetaStock went into 9.2. I rewrote how the symbol databases work so that I can make it so groups can be added, removed, or renamed. Also so that we can build that faster, easier, and more accurately. And I'm hoping I can take advantage of that so I can get a utility finished to help people that keep local data.

Is there an upgrade path for EOD users to the 9.2 version and data structure? I gather than Equis is sidelining the 9.1 and earlier structure and your work on the new utility seems to indicate its full fuction will be limited to 9.2 and later.

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I can't really provide any excuses, reasons, or anything else. All I can really say is we understand what you're saying and we are trying very hard. More than you probably think.

I'm certainly not trying to put the burden on your shoulders; my comments were directed to the corporate entity as a whole. And I do understand the effort it takes to maintain a complex product. We seem to be in agreement that assigning version 10 was a bit of a stretch to say the least.

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#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:45:20 PM(UTC)
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I worked very hard in 9.2 to make sure that people can upgrade from an older version and notice no difference.

The only reason I would limit the utility to 9.2 and later (Equis hasn't given me any restrictions) is that the symbol database in 9.2 and all later versions read the same. Every version before 9.2 is different from the version before it (as far as reading symbols from the database). So, my utility would have to know what version and adjust for it. While not particuallary hard, since I have the source code back to version 7.2, it is time consuming.
Getting it done to work with 9.2 and all later versions is the easiest.
I'll do older versions if I have time.

And I wasn't trying to end your thread for venting. Just trying to help point out that Equis doesn't count on having stupid users. Vent all you like (in constructive ways, of course). I hope Reuters and Equis managers can learn from what people say and we can get products out that help people. That is our goal.
It's why they allowed me to do the utility to help with people's local databases. While Equis doesn't have the resources to test or support it, they do recognize the fact that it is useful and many people in Equis want me to finish it.

Many people at Equis do read these forums, even if they never post.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:55:32 PM(UTC)
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Presuming that the plurality (if not majority) of your users are on v9.0 or above, it might make sense to offer a no-cost upgrade to 9.2 for all 9.x users so that we're all on the same page regarding data structures. While I'd appreciate your tweaking the new utility to work with my 9.1EOD, this would preclude hassles with future projects.

I know from reading this forum that there are people still using versions going back to at least 7.x, but I have to believe most active users are 9.0 or above by now, right? If you're using 7.x you're willing to accept many more limitations than just the symbol database structure, so one might regard those situations as moot.

And for what it's worth, every one of my customers is encouraged to give us immediate feedback and we make it easy to do so - I also recognize the value of "venting" to improve the product and company.

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#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:11:45 PM(UTC)
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9.2 is a free upgrade for 9 users.
But you say you have EOD. There isn't a 9.2 EOD. It was only for QuoteCenter users. (This version stuff is coming back to me a bit now).
9.2 included a couple new things, but was mainly an update to the QuoteCenter software and data feeds. It was also to get a new symbol database structure so that we were able to make modifications to the symbol database groups without releasing a new version.
10 is where EOD users get the benefits of the new symbol database changes along with all the functionality that was added.

I just checked with sales and I am told it's $149 for the upgrade from 9.1EOD to 10.
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