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#1 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2006 1:27:21 PM(UTC)
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Hello! First of all - thank you Jose Silva for constructing them for MS! :) I would apprechiate if few things could be explained to me. Impulse System: 1) What does the "No entry x periods from the last exit" mean? I can´t figure that out. 2) When examining the daily charts, should I leave both, Daily and Weekly EMA periods on 13? Or should I change the Weekly value to 26, as Elder suggests (if I understood him correctly). And what values should I use when examining the Weekly charts only? AutoEnvelopes: I learned about this indicator on MetaStockTools.com, but it´s not described in any of Elder´s books. But it seems useful, tho. 1) "Lookback periods" - should this value be generaly twice as big as "EMA periods", or is it OK to use the same values for both? 2) Long signals and All signals: The up and down arrows should point out, when to go long and when to go short? 3) Enty/Exit signal delay: if I figure, for example, that entry signals would be better if they would be 5 days delayed, than I should type in 5? Trailing Stop - ATR Chandelier Exit Elder´s recommendations are: ATR multiplier: 2.5 or 3 ATR periods: He doesn´t specify that, but Wilder suggest 10 days ATR lookback periods: 22 When the Chandelier Trailing Stop rises and the prices are above the line, then everything is fine. But when the prices collapse and the T.S. starts to fall, when would be the best time to enter the position once again? When the prices go above T.S., so the T.S. line once again becomes valid? Just wondering. Any possible explanations are very much welcomed :) Thanks!
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#2 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2006 6:28:46 PM(UTC)
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Auto Envelopes are described in 'Come Into My Trading Room' and are included on the accompanying disk.
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#3 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2006 10:24:05 PM(UTC)
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Impulse System: 1) What does the "No entry x periods from the last exit" mean?
Exclude any new entry signals if they come along within x periods from the last exit signal.
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2) When examining the daily charts, should I leave both, Daily and Weekly EMA periods on 13? Or should I change the Weekly value to 26, as Elder suggests (if I understood him correctly). And what values should I use when examining the Weekly charts only?
All up to you. Plot it on your chart, and use what looks best for you. The same advice would apply to all remaining questions. jose '-
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:43:58 AM(UTC)
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OK, thanks for the answers! :) StorkBite: I bought a used C.I.M.T.R book and I did not get any CD with it. Too bad. Anyway, I´ve searched the book and no auto envelopes are described. I was able to find only Bollinger Bands, EMA Channels and Trendline Channels.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:24:20 PM(UTC)
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Let me find the reference for you once I get back home. It might be on the disk. It's in the same vein as the trendline channels. I based my master template on Elder's channel work; though I paid Jose for some customized feaures and later modified it further. You won't get an ounce of difference from Jose's basic AutoEnvelopes and Elder's though the formula construction of each is completely different. In general, I find all of Jose's solutions to be highly customizable and tailored to the end user.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:20:12 PM(UTC)
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I would apprechiate that!
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2006 6:06:54 PM(UTC)
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I have a used copy of CIMTR as well, and there was no CD, no reference to one and no indication that there ever was one (like an empty CD sleeve etc.) Perhaps someone is remembering a different book?
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:38:30 PM(UTC)
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I bought my book with the disk. There was a book-only deal too. The complete package is available here: https://www.metastock.co...thirdparty/?3pc-add-detr It is also described on Elder's website. The formulas were written for MS by John Bruns. So, you need the disk that accompanies the book to have the formulas.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:49:43 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the explanation, StorkBite. Do you remember if Elder talks about the lookback periods? He usually gives some numbers to operate with.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:34:26 PM(UTC)
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Oh, ok Stork, you're referring to the Elder MS plugin; I was aware of that. There's a thread somewhere wherein that plugin was going to be evaluated and commented-upon; don't remember seeing if anyone has reviewed it one way or the other after that.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:49:48 AM(UTC)
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Elder's SafeZone indicators are the only ones that I have using an explicit 'lookback' variable. The parameters are min=10, max=300, default=99. IMO, the word 'plugin' is misleading, as the plugin consists of a collection of self-installing, stand-alone formulas. While it is not my intent to write a review, I can tell you that I am glad to have had the opportunity to read Elder's books. IMO, CIMTR is the best of his works. I walked away with the knowledge of what types of indicators he finds useful. Don't get hung up in the exact formulas, because the methodology is more important. In hindsight, after purchasing his formula collection, I don't think any of the indicators are unique (except in name: market thermometer, safe zones, bear/bull, etc... respectfully, I say that these names are all sales gimmicks.) There are many free variations available all over the internet. e.g., sentiment indicators, channel indicators, stops, etc. Jose has at least a few posted on his web site. If you really want to develop a custom indicator that will suit your style of trading, I suggest that you spend the same money you would on these formulas and hire a proficient MS programmer to develop your concept. Chances are that you will come out a lot cheaper and be much happier in the long run.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:57:39 PM(UTC)
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I´ll have to do a bit of researching with AutoEnvelopes to see, if they can do a better job for me, than the classic EMA Channels, which I like very much. Anyway, I´m inclined to long time trades, so I´m quite happy with the set of tools which Elder describes. And once again thanks to Jose for making them available to us!
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