first let me better explain my use of {}'s in indicator names..... {Entry Binary}{{entry for Trade Equity LE} {V5.0}}..... the contents of the first set [color=red:32069210fb]Entry Binary[/color] is roys indicator name.... the second and third set of {}'s which meta can not see are for my benefit to remind me of just what the [color=red:32069210fb]Entry Binary[/color] is..... all meta sees is the [color=red:32069210fb] Entry Binary[/color] which allows me to use his Trade Equity LE systems without having to rewrite anything..... if i had a nickel for every time i clicked on an indicator just to see what it was..... camoflauge the next step in the organizational quest was an attempt to put each authors indicators into one indicator..... this had some neat effects along with not so neat side effects.... you will loose the ability to adust values but if the indicators are ok as is it's no big deal...... this idea works works perfectly with cedar creeks indicators but not quite so well with wilson's ..... still you can uncheck each in the indicator quick list which of course shortens the list..... it keeps all cedar creeks indicators in 1 tidy heading but each still can be applied at will.... that same idea can be expanded and taken in other directions.... h something unfinshed for later...