stumbled onto another courious situation.... i have been trying to create some start to finish type examples.... from the first simple idea all the way through to the system test... in one jpeg picture .... that one is still under construction.... heres the stumble.... i was trying to be fancy and included some horizontal lines in the indicator, which worked as planned..... in the next step, the exploration, i refrenced the indicator formula in the standard fml('7') fashion.... the exploration always returned errors with no results... confusing... as it turns out, either explorations don't like formulas with fancy horizontal lines or i had used the wrong method to code them.... the end result was to remove the lines..... of course that took me a couple hours to figure out..... hayseeds should never try to show off......h