takin another shot at posting templates and layouts.... but first i've stumbled on something.... it appears all folders are not created equal.... i completely deleted all my folders that were loaded from the meta data cd.... then using the downloader recreated them and named them exactly as before, then created the securities 'dia' and 'spy' in the proper folders.... the alligator charts from below will not load ..... if i recreate the folders using the meta data cd, they will..... this leads me to believe that anyone not having used the data cd will not be able to load the charts..... still studying on that ..... until then , here are the alligators.....h